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Nero Vision Express
« on: April 01, 2005, 07:54:03 AM »
Well for my 1st post I thought I'd share my experience with NeroVision Express.  This was bundled with my DVD Burner (Pioneer 109).

I had tried the Nero Reloaded bundle, which includes a number of Nero products, on a PC at work and it was able to burn DVD's without a hitch.  I was creating DVD's from existing AVI's.

I bought the Pioneer burner for the home PC (AMD 3500+, 1GB RAM, nForce 250Gb chipset) and installed Nero Vision Express.  Now, burning exactly the same avi files as on the work PC, the DVD's produced are fine for the 1st minute then the audio goes out of sync.

I have tried a number of files and all the files with 123 Kbps, 48000 Hz,  2 channels,  MPEG Layer-3 audio have the problem while those with  384 Kbps,  48000 Hz,  5 channels, AC3 DVM, do not.

I've updated the codecs as per AVIcodec recommendations, with no luck.

I've been swapping e-mail with Nero tech support who have had me try :
  • SMART Encoding on/off
  • NTSC/PAL
  • 1/2 pass VBR
  • Burn at once on/off
  • Audio Automatic/Dolby Digital

All with no change.

Today I'm going to move the burner to the kids PC (Intel 2.53)

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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2005, 07:59:34 AM »
What version of NeroVision did you use? I've used it perfectly fine with the 108, with MP3 audio.

Zebby will probably come and pimp DVD Movie Factory 4.0, which i've also tried. Its much the same but for some reason I couldn't fit as much on a disc, despite changing the quality of the encoding.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2005, 08:16:24 AM »
Sorry, forgot to put the versions in :

NeroVision 3.1.0.0 which is the current one.  Mr Zebra has already been pimping Movie Factory, don't worry :)

BUT, I already have Nero so I want it to work!  I don't want to fork out cash for another authoring bundle...
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2005, 09:18:43 AM »
Strange... tell you what, tonight or on the weekend i'll try out NVE with my 109, see what happens.

I'd assume its a software problem, rather than the hardware, but you never know I guess.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2005, 09:23:02 AM »
as a stop gap, altho a bit tedious, maybe u could use something like virtual dub to strip the audio, possibly decode it to wav, remultiplex then burn.
I know, its a bit long, but maybe it could help isolate if the problem is strictly with mp3 audio. Maybe u can also install the LAME codec (or some other mp3 codec) to make sure that NVE can correctly handle the mp3.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2005, 09:50:18 AM »
don't know if this will work, but try this tool
I have to use it some times. It decompresses the audio in the avi

You will end up with a bigger avi file size, but when you recode to dvd it will be the same size as when you recoded before.
Worth a shot. 8)
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2005, 10:10:00 AM »
Thanks guys, I'll try some of the suggestions above and let you know how I go.

I finished moving the burner, Installed the software and guess what?  Same problem.

I'm amazed, I thought it was my hardware setup...
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2005, 10:53:18 AM »
what os is at work and home?
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2005, 11:17:45 AM »
Work is 2003 Server, home (both PC's) are XP Professional.  The system at work is a HP netwerver with a HP single layer burner.

The only thing I can think of, is that the work PC will not have had any previous multimedia tools installed (authoring, codecs, etc) while the home pc's have various players, codecs, etc...

I tried DIKO which produced DVD'd without the sync problems when played on a PC, but had no sound and the picture broke up when played on a standalone DVD player.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2005, 11:32:06 AM »
maybe hopefully the picture breakup is down to the way ur standalone dislikes the media it was burned on.... hopefully.
Do u have an RW to test on instead of wasting good discs? take a look at the DIKO method again and u may be lucky enuff to have just not done the sound settings correctly. are both boxes SP2? is there any other writing software on the machine? does anything to do with burning run on bootup? do u have any roxio software on there? try booting in safe mode....
are the target FPS settings set the same?
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2005, 01:18:13 PM »
The media I'm using is TDK DVD+RW.

It's the same media in all 3 PC's (work & 2 home), which has been fine in the standalone DVD player for the DVD's burnt at work.  Both home PC's are patched to the max including SP2.  Up until the the burner was installed, the only burning software was Nero for a CD-Burner (since removed).  No other burning apps on startup.

EDIT : Just for fun (?) I installed nero on a newly built lappy and encoded the avi to the hard drive.

Same result.

 So, it's not the burner, it's not the hardware, I guess it has to be either Nero or the codecs.  I'm using the latest version of Nero.  I've tried various codecs, including those recommended by AVIcodec...

Now the avi's I'm using playback fine before encoding and as previously mentioned burned ok on the work pc
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2005, 08:12:20 PM »
I'm stumped..... must be some sort of incompatibility or something with nve and xp sp2 I'm thinking. for the time being, try the tool suggested by matt to change the audio, other than that, may have to wait until a nero update or u can try other software. If u can, try and test on a comp with another OS... bit of a job, but if u have the time and space and a cd laying around, dual boot win 2k or something for testing purposes.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2005, 10:09:43 PM »
NVE works fine with SP2, I can assure you of that. Something more is happenning here. Will try with my 109 tomrrow and let you know what happens, but I still maintain its more likely to be a software issue with NVE or your particular config.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2005, 10:10:53 PM »
interesting update...I managed to get Movie Factory 2.0 working on my home PC.  Came bundled with my brother's ancient burner.  Anyway, when I 1st tried it, there were continual failures. I just thought it was too old for my 109 burner.

On a hunch I re-installed DivX and the errors went away and I have successfully burnt 2 DVD's with zero sync problems.

I'll try Nero again and see if it fixed that as well.

Looks like the Ulead pimp will be happy :)

Thanks for the suggestions guys,  you have me on the fast track of DVD knowledge ;)

Just Burnt a DVD with Nero, still out of sync so it looks like MF is the winnar!
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2005, 08:55:17 PM »
*sigh*

Well, it looks like the moviefactory has different sync problems.  I watched a movie on a moviefactory DVD tonight, and at one point the sound went back about a minute.

I didn't spot that when I burnt it as I was just randomly picking a few spots...

Back to the drawing board for me :(

The interesting thing is, another PC with roxio burnt 2 DVD's and they had sync problems.

This points at the fault being in the files themselves.

The problem is, played as avi's on a PC they are fine!
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2005, 11:13:44 PM »
However, if the same files work ok on the 2k3 server boxen, then it can't be just the files.....
carry in ur laptop to work and check settings on apps on both to ensure they are identical to the t.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2005, 06:46:56 AM »
This does indeed sound utterly off the wall, but I for one would try a different media type, just for a laugh...
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2005, 11:59:16 AM »
I'll go out and buy some different media today - any recommendations?

Booma, I checked the settings on both and they were identical.  Later I'll try what you suggested earlier - stripping the audio then re-mixing.  I was looking for an all in one easy way out.  Maybe there isn't one :)
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2005, 12:01:11 PM »
might not be.... but as long as we're here, we gotta have hope. Given the new light shone on the discs etc, can u still confirm that all the dvds burned with pcm audio are fine and only the mp3 ones crap out?
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2005, 12:07:08 PM »
Quote from: Mac_Dude on April 03, 2005, 11:59:16 AM
I'll go out and buy some different media today - any recommendations?


http://www.speedlabs.org/forum.html/topic,23.0.html

;).

Get some Mitsubishi...some Verbatim...or some Taiyo Yuden...all good stuff!
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2005, 12:12:37 PM »
doh at the recommendations  :P

All the DVD's those that worked and those that didn't have been burnt with Dolby Digital (AC3) 2.0
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2005, 12:16:04 PM »
unfortunately, due to the recent revelations, I officially have got no clue. Here's hoping the media actually does something (my fingers are in crossed position)
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2005, 12:18:17 PM »
Tried a burn of episode 13 and 14 of the LOL releases Mac Dude, default settings for everything (this is a fresh install of NVE 3.1.0.0) on TTG02 media. Worked fine. So...if you can do a try with those eps you can narrow down if it is in fact the files.

Try the new media, try those files. If you still have issues it sound like an encoding issue, possibly a conflict with codecs installed?

Onboard AC97 booma (see below)
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2005, 12:21:07 PM »
what sound cards are u guys using? Is it separate or onboard?  could it possibly be the soundcard is inaccurate in resampling the audio?
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2005, 12:23:55 PM »
onboard - nvidia 250Gb.  But the PC I moved the burner to has a SB Audigy 2
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2005, 12:32:39 PM »
nvidia board? audigy 2? sound processors on those are absolute class and Sneddo's working model is with onboard ac97.... there goes that theory.
I wonder about the codecs since the same thing happened on the newly built laptop. Let's just wait on the discs, but if anything else crops up, will give a shout.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2005, 02:04:47 PM »
ok, I now have some Imation +RW x4's as well.

I'll try a couple of burns using NVE & MF using both media...

I have a funny feeling that Sneddo may be right on the 'codec conflict' thing.

What's the best way to clean 'em up?

Update #1 : Burn with NVE to the TDK media failed again with slight loss of sync around the 5 min mark getting worse as it goes on. Using the Imation had the same result.  Trying MF now.

Update #2 : Burn with MF has different sync problems - sync is perfect for 20 minutes then the audio wen back about 15 minutes.

I'm going to look for some way to clean up the codecs and make sure I have the right ones.  Then try again.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2005, 06:24:27 PM »
have a go at recoding to mpeg2 with main concept demo
It is pretty good and reasonably quick. Avi audio needs to be decompressed ( if it isn't already)  though for it to work ( use the tool I posted before)
Seems to work when nve fails for me
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2005, 05:30:58 PM »
where was I up to?????

Ah right!  So, I burnt the 2 files Sneddo mentioned at work - no problems, at home the same sync issues.

So then I tried the avi audio decompression thingy that mattfigaro mentioned.  I then used the decompressed avi as input to NVE and still had sync problems.

I then used the decompressed avi and used it as input for the Main Concept MPEG Encoder.  I then used the resulting mpeg file as input to NVE and burnt a DVD which had NO sync problems.

So, something the Main Concept MPEG Encoder does removes the sync issue...  How do I know what tools use what codecs?

UPDATE : Just in from Nero...
Dear Mr. Mac Dude,
 
thank you for your email.

We were able to reproduce such a error with a mp3 file variable.

Some more tests will be necessary, but we will try to provide a fix in one of the next updates of NeroVision Express.
I cannot promise that the next update of NeroVision Express will already contain a fix.

If you have further questions, please contact us again.

Best regards

Technical Support

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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2005, 08:15:13 PM »
I do like the main concept prog.

Handy to have for when other progs fail
shame about the watermark on the demo version
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2005, 08:53:11 PM »

i use cinemacraft meself...
bit longer but nicer encs.....
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2005, 10:43:31 AM »
one step closer....

I downloaded a little program called GSPOT.  This looks at any video file and tells you what codecs are installed on your system that will be used to play it.

For some reason, on the work PC where I don't have sync problems, the Nero Audio Digital codec is missing.  So, I removed that codec from my home PC.  This reduced the sync problem quite a bit, but did not get rid of it totally.

I have one more trick up my sleeve to try, I'll let you know how I go...
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2005, 11:25:47 AM »
sweet dude.... handling it like an engineer! any peeks as to what that other trick may be?
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2005, 11:53:11 AM »
well, I'd seen others report the same problem and many swear by installing the DivX Total Pack of codecs.  Well, it didn't work.

So now I have both the work & home pc with the same software, same codecs (all the same versions) but still a sync problem, though it has improved.

I just noticed there is one other difference for the work PC - it has no audio device, i.e. sound card.

CBF, I'm waving the white flag on this one...

UPDATE :  you knew there would be one, right?

Ok, I downloaded DMF 4.0.  When I ran it, the thing just closed with a critical error.

hmmm.

I installed another codec hoping to get Nero to work, but instead, it got DMF working, go figure.  I can tell DMF uses this codec, because it fires up an icon in the systray - the codec is ffdshow.

Nero doesn't use this codec because the icon does not appear.

This codec seems to fix the problem, I've watched a burnt DVD all the way through, no problems.

The question is, how can I force nero to use this codec?
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2005, 02:30:17 AM »
so it's actually sorted now? good show.... no idea how to force codecs in nero m8, may just have to stuff it for now.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2005, 08:03:19 AM »
man...
best advice for you is to remove the audio, and encode it seperately to the video.
Generally this problem occurs when encoding video which has vbr audio.

It can be resolved by enc'ing the audio and video seperately.
So, use something like virtualdub and open your file in it.
Then choose file>save wav.

This will give you a wav file.

Then encode your video using tmpegenc, or mainconcept, or my personal favourite, cinemacraft encoder.
Next make sure the timestamp on the audio is the same as the timestamp on the video.
If it is not, take note of the video timestamp, and use an audio editor like soundforge to stretch the audio, but keep the pitch locked.
Then mux them back together using tmpeg's advanced tools.
From there you should be able to use nerovision express to author a dvd.

Good luck mate.
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2005, 04:47:20 PM »
Just for closure on this thread, I was never able to fix the sync problem with Nero, and I am now currently using MovieFactory 4 Disc Creator....
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2005, 07:03:46 PM »
hi dude (and all other assorted animals and food stuffs)... cant get on to msn/irc at the moment to chat...

i have a friend here, they have nero express 6.3.1.18 and nero vision express 2.

still able to do the avi to dvd conversion through that? or is it gunna get a lil messy?

thanks guys...

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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2005, 09:08:38 PM »
well, give it a try :)

It all depends on what codecs you have installed...

I've only had problems with LOST conversions...
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Re: Nero Vision Express
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2005, 01:23:02 PM »
sweet. thanks dude.

worst comes to worst... she gets upgraded... :P
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