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Brad-Pioneer

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2007, 01:49:07 PM »
have u swapped it of the jmicron's brad? its worth it
None of the drives are on the "SATA/RAID controller" they are all on the standard ports...  My Seagate and DVD burner are working perfectly so I do not believe its a controller issue.

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2007, 03:35:36 PM »
so they are on the ihc8 ports (orange)...
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Brad-Pioneer

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2007, 03:46:33 PM »
so they are on the ihc8 ports (orange)...
Yes.  This motherboard DOES NOT have purple ports, but the ports are labeled 0-5 and then G0-G1 or something like that, the DVR-212 is on port 0, the drives are on ports 5 & 6, and the controller is set for AHCI only on the ports the hard drives are on, but this setting has no bearing on the problem at hand.

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2007, 09:58:29 PM »
Ok that seems kinda strange, if your board is a gigabyte 965P-DS3P then it should have them as both revision that i'm aware of as being sold over here have them.
Rev 2.0
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2418&ProductName=GA-965P-DS3P
and the later
Rev 3.3
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2455&ProductName=GA-965P-DS3P

So what i'm wondering is what board it is you have exactly?
I've had previous problems having samsung drives running in AHCI in concert with other brand drives on 965 gigabyte boards, we fixed it by changing back to IDE mode thats why I suggested it.

Ok I also am assuming from what you said before that your boot drive is the Samsung 500GB? As a rule at work we always connect a hdd (usually the boot drive) to the 0 connector on the sata controller as that way its seen as the Primary Master drive. I;m not entirely sure it makes any difference on that board but it has been known to on some of our other brands. Yes its not an issue to change where the primary boot disk pointed to in bios, but we have had issues in the recent past where one of the other techs had a samsung sata burner the (202, 203 whatever it is) in position 0 and we had issues with drive throughput during the install with the harddrive connected to port 1. Was on a 945 based MSI board switching them fixed it.

Dodgy cables again tend to cause random spin down spin ups when transferring, but again from previously stated i'm assuming you've tried that.

So yes otherwise all I can think of is that Vista is being crap (as usual) in its copying procedure and is causing it.
The HDD has a fault, we've had samsungs returned before with random spin downs, but it would spin down quite often, regardless of what the system was doing at the time. In which case usually the disk will fail the long drive test in the samsung disk utilities.
Other investigation, try running HDTach (large block test)or similar to look at the read/write speeds across disk which could shown an indicative low spot where the drive has issues reading/writing again a hardware issue.
Running the HDtach on another machine with say XP would also eliminate the vista part of the equation.

I'll mention this to one of the other guys at work tomorrow to see if they can recall anything more about the previous disk with the spin down errors.
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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2007, 09:03:32 AM »
Not gonna quote because it will be too long :)

I DO have a 3.3 board.

I have the drives on 4/5 because of the controller feature that allows Legacy on 0-3 and AHCI on 4/5.  If it comes down to going back to IDE, this drive will find a new home and I'll buy another Seagate.

Testing the drive today on my rig at work to see what it does.  If it turns out to be a drive conflict I'll swap it out for the 500GB Seagate in my shuttle at work, which runs on its own.

I think it has to be related to the drive, I don't believe it can be a Vista or controller issue because it doesn't affect the other drive at all.  I'm booting off the Seagate 320gb and its PERFECT.

Thanks for the help...

Brad-Pioneer

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2007, 10:03:38 AM »
OK so get this, I think the Samsung is working JUST FINE in my Intel chipset box at work (945).

What I'm sorely tempted to do is this:

Move all data off my 500GB Samsung onto the 500GB Samsung in my new Shuttle
Use Ghost or the open-source alternative to ghost data across to the Samsung
Take the 500GB Seagate home and hope for the best...

Thoughts?

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2007, 10:44:25 AM »
Dammit just xferred 200GB @ 50-80mb/sec sustained off my SATA raid to the Samsung, and it didn't skip a beat.

Fucker.

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2007, 10:50:22 AM »
lifes like that
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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2007, 10:52:08 AM »
lifes like that

Next problem: Seagate drive has AAK firmware.

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2007, 11:01:38 AM »
lifes like that

Next problem: Seagate drive has AAK firmware.



You'll find that'll only decrease read/write speed by about 10MB/s, assuming STR.

Brad-Pioneer

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2007, 11:10:43 AM »
You'll find that'll only decrease read/write speed by about 10MB/s, assuming STR.

Yeah and I am not maxing the Samsung on my system, according to how fast it writes when data is coming off my 1-drive raid here.
* Brad-Pioneer ponders if I have AAK firmware on my Seagate 320gb system drive...

I'm gonna do the Ghost & switch anyway, hopefully its just a wierdness that will go away when I swap the drives.
* Brad-Pioneer notes that its now doing 70mb/sec in my Shuttle, so 2 PC's, this drive is fine.  *gulp*
« Last Edit: November 02, 2007, 11:18:25 AM by Brad-Pioneer »

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2007, 07:10:57 PM »
OK, sounds like the drive is fine its just one of those annoying incompatibilities, I mentioned it at work today to one of the other techs.
He said that he's had a situation similar to this when using seagate and samsungs on the same controller on an ASUS P5B board (also 965 ICH8).
Where the samsung would park itself during a sustained write. It'd basically stop the drive motor and just move the heads around whilst the hdd activity light would go nuts.
One the drive halted it appeared to park the head, then restart spin up and continue writing with no data loss, just a crappy write time.
The drive was replaced with a seagate, that fixed it  and I/we havent come across it since.
Could just be unlucky, but that said we don't often run multiple different brands in our builds.

Hope it works out for you with the change of drives.

-Belial

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Re: Help - strange HDD problem
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2007, 07:44:53 PM »
Latest is I am struggling to get any sort of hard drive imaging program to copy the Seagate to the Samsung.  Got my mate bringing Acronis over on Sunday so hopefully that will work, failing that I will just reload Vista on the shuttle.

Mind you I will probably test the Seagate in my system first...